Sunday, March 24, 2019

Dr. Subramanian Swamy on Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi becoming Prime Minister

Dr. Subramanian Swamy has spoken about this more than once, in various places, publicly. If there is a reason the government of India is letting this fraud perpetrated against the nation for decades let go unpunished, it is unclear.

Under the YT videos of his speeches, one person is particularly active trying to obfuscate the issues.

Velington Fernandes responded to a comment of mine to say it was dangerous to believe Dr Subramanian Swamy on the points he made against the two, and specifically about the dismissal of the scion out of Harvard (due to drug use) where he was admitted only due to his being a descendent of a third world leader, apart from the arrest on arrival at the airport due to carrying huge amounts of cash undeclared.

I responded by stating that calling it dangerous to believe it sounded like a personal threat.

He backtracked, and said I was free to go check the official police records, they make it clear that Dr Subramanian Swamy was lying.

It was clear, I said, that first, police are unlikely to show such records to just anyone, while Dr Subramanian Swamy being an ex faculty member of Harvard had found out things personally due to acquaintance with people.

He then deleted his part of the conversation and elsewhere posted a huge, verbose lie, which I discovered much later.

The following is series of my posts at the said YT video.
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Dr. Subramanian Swamy on Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi becoming Prime Minister

0:25 - 1:29 specific part of Indian constitution that applies.

2:58 - 3:45 what Nehru wrote and his government decreed re heir to Holkar kingdom
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3211rCnwEmY

can only be more true for important positions of government of India, and all the more so for someone of purely foreign origin, of course; but, as Subramanyam Swamy clarified, the constitutional clause in Indian Constitution is explicit re mutuality of such possibility.
8:30 If he had to leave Harvard due to cocaine, it is likely well documented, under whatever name he used there; probably the verification would not easily be available unless one is an insider, which Dr Swamy definitely is at Harvard.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3211rCnwEmY 

re mutuality

3:45 - 4:56!


7:30! And thanks for bonus,  7:30 - 10:08! , hope it all works (canceling such amendments). If we need someone from elsewhere appointed to take care of India, someone with more education and competence, honesty and career should be considered - Hilary Clinton, for example.


9:45 so that's the reason for name and passport with that name! Does India have dual citizenship agreement with Italy, or is this an exception?
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10:49 Varun certainly should do for dynasty fans, unless the foreigner quotient is necessary, which no one would be silly enough to admit to.
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Responding to comments below questioning Dr Subramanian Swamy about his expose of the current and the now ex presidents of congress, claiming there is no proof of his statements, and calling him a lier :-


To begin with, if you don't see a chain of logic, or that facts can be claimed easily enough if they are opposite of what Dr Subramanian Swamy says, that points st your own questionable mindset, capabilities, or possibly worse. As to proof, there is no proof that the posts calling Dr Subramanian Swamy a lier or questioning his statements were written by genuine persons, rather than agents paid with scam funds in Swiss accounts of the mafia family.
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Interesting conversation, of which the other one deleted his attempted lies and threats:

Jyotsna Gokhale
+Velington Fernandes " Italy didnt permit Dual nationality till 1991." while Subramaniam Swamy reports the boy's mom informing Italian embassy and obtaining an Italian passport for him at birth, which could mean he retained the Italian nationality until comparatively recently, that would be at least until he was at Cambridge according to himself. His mom retained her own Italian nationality and did not get Indian citizenship until legally it was necessary due to her husband becoming prime minister.

Swamy has more of a likelihood of finding stuff hidden in Harvard or Cambridge due to his personal connections, while someone conducting research whether on internet or in person is likely to get stonewalled with name changes, confidentiality, and more.

Dangerous is an inappropriate and unduly strong word in the connection and seems a personal threat from you against me. People in public life have faced far more than perception about once upon a time use of substance, which in his case might be true while in cases of false propaganda against colonial subjects of yore by ex rulers and their allies was usually false.


Jyotsna Gokhale
+Velington Fernandes Either you are really obtuse or deliberately bullying with lies. Your contention about

"Sonia G became Indian before 1991. Doesnt it logically imply that Rahul
Gandhi becomes Indian as soon as the day Sonia Gandhi became an Indian citizen which is before 1991"

is absurd and false in several points.

To begin with a parent's citizenship might give choice of that right to the child but it is not forced, and her having to become citizen of India however reluctantly does not indicate her son being made to go through that transition, much less imply it as necessarily so.

There is nothing logical or reasonable about a child having to be citizen of a country if a parent chooses it, if there are other choices and in particular a choice already made for the child.

You sound like the racist US right wingers who claim Obama is not a US citizen because his father was not. That is silly and false.

Sonia did not take citizenship of India until she was forced to, by Indian law, alternative being her husband having to choose strictly between her and his prime ministership of India. That was '84, long after she lived in the home of his mother the prime minister for years, and this does not support the idea that her son would be Indian by her choice.
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Responding to a comment below the original yt video, by the same congress pro who had tried to and failed in conversation above and deleted his replies to my post, about "Indian law being not defined by Italy"  and other attempts to shame, provoke and bamboozle India:-


Re "Sonia Gandhi is a Naturalised Citizen of India.", is precisely what Dr Subramanian Swamy has pointed out is untrue if she never renounced all other citizenships, and there is no proof she renounced ANY!

According to Dr Subramanian Swamy, when she could no longer hold on to being a non citizen, the then PM Indira Gandhi instructed the official in question to accept the Italian ambassador's statement, which only said to the effect that she had told him she had surrendered it, but not that she had in fact done so.

Re mutuality clause, Italy or any other nation does not define law in India, India dies so with clause of reciprocity. Bamboozling India with such shameful attempts to provoke is typical of fascists heritage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GyT9dqHxLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GyT9dqHxLk