Thank you for posting this.
Looking at the stone piles 7:28 - 7:45, one wonders if this is part of ritual worship, it reminds of the very quintessential offering gratitude or worship in Jewish tradition - as in the final part of Schindler's List where the present day survivors of his people come with their families to his grave and place stones.
Looking at some of the comments below, one begins to suspect there is a strong attempt to sow division and hatred in India, even amongst various paths of worship that are completely Indian, and not brought in by looters and invaders. Such sowing seeds of division and hatred is the usual church tactic, for example the anti Semitic lies preached since Rome converted church and lied about the crucifixion, which led to the holocaust after centuries of persecution and more.
Of course, the posts pretending to be Jain could be fraudulent names, and it might be paki attempts to divide India over and over, or it could be all of the above. Our experience of a lifetime is of various fruends and colleagues who were Jain and joined us in temples, and we weren't stopped when visiting Jain shrines.
And the video clearly shows "The Jain Temple, Neminath Temple" 8:00 in caption as well as video shot, so there is no attempt by ANYBODY to claim that there isn't a Jain temple and place of worship and pilgrimage here, which implies there is no takeover or conversion, which is a silly accusation implied in the posts below.
Dattatreya temple 10:40
Ambaji temple 11:05
Responding to a comment below the original YT video by Shivam jain:-
"गिरनार जी एक जैन तीर्थ हैं यह बात में जैन होने के नाते ही नही,अपितु गिरनार के जैन तीर्थ होने के साक्ष्यों से कह रहा हूँ,गिरनार जी पर भगवान नेमिनाथ जी के चरण चिन्ह तथा उनकी प्रतिमा भी स्थापित हैं,परन्तु वहाँ तथाकथित लोगो ने उन चरणों को पुष्पों से ढक रखा हैं तथा वहाँ कुछ समय पूर्व ही दत्तात्रेय जी की प्रतिमा स्थापित कर ,जैन तीर्थ को एक हिन्दू तीर्थ बनाने का प्रयास किया जा रहा हैं।
साथ ही इसके विरोध करने पर वहाँ स्थित हिन्दू साधुओं द्वारा दुर्व्यवहार किया जाता हैं।यह समझिए कि वह एक तरह से पूरे जैन तीर्थ पर कब्जा कर के स्वयं के हिन्दू तीर्थ में परिवर्तित कर रहे हैं जो कि किसी भी प्रकार से सही नही हैं।ऐसा कोई भी धर्म नही सिखाता की दुसरो के धर्म स्थल पर जबर्दस्ती कब्जा कर के उसे स्वयं का बनाया जाए।
जब राम मंदिर तोड़ कर बाबरी मज्जिद बनने पर जैसे हर हिन्दू को यह गलत लगा तथा उसका प्रत्येक हिन्दू विरोध करता हैं,तो भैया एक जैन तीर्थ को हिन्दू बनाने पर यह आपको गलत नही लगता,फिर इनका हिन्दू भाई समर्थन क्यों करते हैं।
जैसे स्वयं चाहते हैं वैसा दुसरो के साथ भी करें।🙏
गिरनार जी एक जैन तीर्थ हैं तो वह जैनो को वापस लौटना चाहिए,जैसे हिन्दू भाई अयोध्या में राम मंन्दिर की चाह रखते हैं वैसे ही जैन भाई भी अपने गिरनार को स्वतंत्र चाहते हैं।"
Exclusion of others is more of abrahmic character, not Indian, in general. Jain, Sikh and Bauddha are free to limit themselves to their paths but aren't excluded from most shrines and temples of India. Such divisiveness was introduced by British as per Macaulay policy of dividing India and branding every possibke community as not Hindu, but really that's silly, since in India this wasn't the way, and diversity isn't division. Else Shiv Sena would be completely justified in throwing out non Marathi people and you are justifying khalistan, pakis, and much more.
This is not to say specific shrines of Jain, Sikh or Bauddha paths shouldn't exist, far from it, but only that wiping out everything else seems jinnah type beginning of a Permanent Purge state. Besides, even if say your saints did achieve their moksha in that place, no contradiction, why does that amount to existence of the Divine in any form in that spot? On the contrary it woukd seem that Shiva being Aadinaatha, it's only appropriate Divine in the place is in that form.
Mainstream India knows of Naatha Sampradaaya, of which Shiva was the first, and for example the eldest of siblings of Jnaaneshwara, who was named Nivrttinaatha, was one. This path is of ascetic renunciation, and fits quite well along Jain ways, even if it were not identical. Vaishnava and Shaakta are the other two major streams, and they have different character. Most mainstream India does not discriminate in reverence, even if people often might have individual preferences or family deities.
Claiming that Jain is older than Hindu is as much British lie as Aryan invasion crap. What little justification they might offer is archeological finds, but a culture that worshipped without images or buildings and did not bury but cremated bodies leaves less dead evidence for such reasoning, and reality of India is in the ancient heritage of her knowledge.
Visitors to the famous Shravanabelgola, including for the Mahaamastaabhisheka, are not limited to only Janis. Are you advocating a Mecca style barring of all others to spots claimed to be holy for Janis? Really, another partition?
No.
Responding to a comment below the original YT video by
Ritu Jain:-
"This pilgrimage place is of Jains but hindus occupied it. Hindu baba kill our gurus :("
Kill your gurus? Lying, or just being silly?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BodWlarOWFw
Looking at the stone piles 7:28 - 7:45, one wonders if this is part of ritual worship, it reminds of the very quintessential offering gratitude or worship in Jewish tradition - as in the final part of Schindler's List where the present day survivors of his people come with their families to his grave and place stones.
Looking at some of the comments below, one begins to suspect there is a strong attempt to sow division and hatred in India, even amongst various paths of worship that are completely Indian, and not brought in by looters and invaders. Such sowing seeds of division and hatred is the usual church tactic, for example the anti Semitic lies preached since Rome converted church and lied about the crucifixion, which led to the holocaust after centuries of persecution and more.
Of course, the posts pretending to be Jain could be fraudulent names, and it might be paki attempts to divide India over and over, or it could be all of the above. Our experience of a lifetime is of various fruends and colleagues who were Jain and joined us in temples, and we weren't stopped when visiting Jain shrines.
And the video clearly shows "The Jain Temple, Neminath Temple" 8:00 in caption as well as video shot, so there is no attempt by ANYBODY to claim that there isn't a Jain temple and place of worship and pilgrimage here, which implies there is no takeover or conversion, which is a silly accusation implied in the posts below.
Dattatreya temple 10:40
Ambaji temple 11:05
Responding to a comment below the original YT video by Shivam jain:-
"गिरनार जी एक जैन तीर्थ हैं यह बात में जैन होने के नाते ही नही,अपितु गिरनार के जैन तीर्थ होने के साक्ष्यों से कह रहा हूँ,गिरनार जी पर भगवान नेमिनाथ जी के चरण चिन्ह तथा उनकी प्रतिमा भी स्थापित हैं,परन्तु वहाँ तथाकथित लोगो ने उन चरणों को पुष्पों से ढक रखा हैं तथा वहाँ कुछ समय पूर्व ही दत्तात्रेय जी की प्रतिमा स्थापित कर ,जैन तीर्थ को एक हिन्दू तीर्थ बनाने का प्रयास किया जा रहा हैं।
साथ ही इसके विरोध करने पर वहाँ स्थित हिन्दू साधुओं द्वारा दुर्व्यवहार किया जाता हैं।यह समझिए कि वह एक तरह से पूरे जैन तीर्थ पर कब्जा कर के स्वयं के हिन्दू तीर्थ में परिवर्तित कर रहे हैं जो कि किसी भी प्रकार से सही नही हैं।ऐसा कोई भी धर्म नही सिखाता की दुसरो के धर्म स्थल पर जबर्दस्ती कब्जा कर के उसे स्वयं का बनाया जाए।
जब राम मंदिर तोड़ कर बाबरी मज्जिद बनने पर जैसे हर हिन्दू को यह गलत लगा तथा उसका प्रत्येक हिन्दू विरोध करता हैं,तो भैया एक जैन तीर्थ को हिन्दू बनाने पर यह आपको गलत नही लगता,फिर इनका हिन्दू भाई समर्थन क्यों करते हैं।
जैसे स्वयं चाहते हैं वैसा दुसरो के साथ भी करें।🙏
गिरनार जी एक जैन तीर्थ हैं तो वह जैनो को वापस लौटना चाहिए,जैसे हिन्दू भाई अयोध्या में राम मंन्दिर की चाह रखते हैं वैसे ही जैन भाई भी अपने गिरनार को स्वतंत्र चाहते हैं।"
Exclusion of others is more of abrahmic character, not Indian, in general. Jain, Sikh and Bauddha are free to limit themselves to their paths but aren't excluded from most shrines and temples of India. Such divisiveness was introduced by British as per Macaulay policy of dividing India and branding every possibke community as not Hindu, but really that's silly, since in India this wasn't the way, and diversity isn't division. Else Shiv Sena would be completely justified in throwing out non Marathi people and you are justifying khalistan, pakis, and much more.
This is not to say specific shrines of Jain, Sikh or Bauddha paths shouldn't exist, far from it, but only that wiping out everything else seems jinnah type beginning of a Permanent Purge state. Besides, even if say your saints did achieve their moksha in that place, no contradiction, why does that amount to existence of the Divine in any form in that spot? On the contrary it woukd seem that Shiva being Aadinaatha, it's only appropriate Divine in the place is in that form.
Mainstream India knows of Naatha Sampradaaya, of which Shiva was the first, and for example the eldest of siblings of Jnaaneshwara, who was named Nivrttinaatha, was one. This path is of ascetic renunciation, and fits quite well along Jain ways, even if it were not identical. Vaishnava and Shaakta are the other two major streams, and they have different character. Most mainstream India does not discriminate in reverence, even if people often might have individual preferences or family deities.
Claiming that Jain is older than Hindu is as much British lie as Aryan invasion crap. What little justification they might offer is archeological finds, but a culture that worshipped without images or buildings and did not bury but cremated bodies leaves less dead evidence for such reasoning, and reality of India is in the ancient heritage of her knowledge.
Visitors to the famous Shravanabelgola, including for the Mahaamastaabhisheka, are not limited to only Janis. Are you advocating a Mecca style barring of all others to spots claimed to be holy for Janis? Really, another partition?
No.
Responding to a comment below the original YT video by
Ritu Jain:-
"This pilgrimage place is of Jains but hindus occupied it. Hindu baba kill our gurus :("
Kill your gurus? Lying, or just being silly?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BodWlarOWFw
