Thursday, October 18, 2018

Expose By Dr Subramanian Swamy, Lies By Lackeys Of Scamsters

This video by Dr Subramanian Swamy about exposing frauds of details of the current president of congress and the ex president of congress his mum, regarding their citizenship ,education and financial scams, is not new, but I found someone lying, over and over, in separate posts, after he had tried to intimidate me and mislead me, and failed.

Here I recently found his extensively verbose lies, in the comments under the video with the second link, by the person who had failed in the first one and removed his responses, now writing same lies elsewhere with very plausible cover up each time, and was furious enough to write extensively exposing the lies.
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0:25 - 1:29 specific part of Indian constitution that applies.

2:58 - 3:45 what Nehru wrote and his government decreed re heir to Holkar kingdom


can only be more true for important positions of government of India, and all the more so for someone of purely foreign origin, of course; but, as Subramanyam Swamy clarified, the constitutional clause in Indian Constitution is explicit re mutuality of such possibility.

Responding to a comment below, by the same congress pro who had tried to and failed in conversation above and deleted his replies to my post, about "Indian law being not defined by Italy" and other attempts to shame, provoke and bamboozle India:-

Re "Sonia Gandhi is a Naturalised Citizen of India.", is precisely what Dr Subramanian Swamy has pointed out is untrue if she never renounced all other citizenships, and there is no proof she renounced ANY!

According to Dr Subramanian Swamy, when she could no longer hold on to being a non citizen, the then PM Indira Gandhi instructed the official in question to accept the Italian ambassador's statement, which only said to the effect that she had told him she had surrendered it, but not that she had in fact done so.

Re mutuality clause, Italy or any other nation does not define law in India, India dies so with clause of reciprocity. Bamboozling India with such shameful attempts to provoke is typical of fascists heritage.



re mutuality

3:45 - 4:56!


7:30! And thanks for bonus, hope it all works (canceling such amendments). If we need someone from elsewhere appointed to take care of India, someone with more education and competence, honesty and career should be considered - Hilary Clinton, for example.


8:30 If he had to leave Harvard due to cocaine, it is likely well documented, under whatever name he used there; probably the verification would not easily be available unless one is an insider, which Dr Swamy definitely is at Harvard.


9:45 so that's the reason for name and passport with that name! Does India have dual citizenship agreement with Italy, or is this an exception?

7:30 - 10:08!


10:49 Varun certainly should do for dynasty fans, unless the foreigner quotient is necessary, which no one would be silly enough to admit to.


Responding to a comment below, by the same congress pro who had tried to and failed in conversation above and deleted his replies to my post, about "Indian law being not defined by Italy" and other attempts to shame, provoke and bamboozle India:-


Re "Sonia Gandhi is a Naturalised Citizen of India.", is precisely what Dr Subramanian Swamy has pointed out is untrue if she never renounced all other citizenships, and there is no proof she renounced ANY!

According to Dr Subramanian Swamy, when she could no longer hold on to being a non citizen, the then PM Indira Gandhi instructed the official in question to accept the Italian ambassador's statement, which only said to the effect that she had told him she had surrendered it, but not that she had in fact done so.

Re mutuality clause, Italy or any other nation does not define law in India, India does so with clause of reciprocity. Bamboozling India with such shameful attempts to provoke is typical of fascists heritage.


Responding to a reply by Velington Fernandes to my comment above, a series in fact of such responses in the conversation (where, subsequently, Velington Fernandes removed his replies, only to go on posting the same lies everywhere else), below the original yt video about veracity of Dr Subramanian Swamy in this and other videos on the matters he speaks of re the current and the ex president of congress:-


+Velington Fernandes " Italy didnt permit Dual nationality till 1991." while Subramaniam Swamy reports the boy's mom informing Italian embassy and obtaining an Italian passport for him at birth, which could mean he retained the Italian nationality until comparatively recently, that would be at least until he was at Cambridge according to himself. His mom retained her own Italian nationality and did not get Indian citizenship until legally it was necessary due to her husband becoming prime minister.

Swamy has more of a likelihood of finding stuff hidden in Harvard or Cambridge due to his personal connections, while someone conducting research whether on internet or in person is likely to get stonewalled with name changes, confidentiality, and more.

Dangerous is an inappropriate and unduly strong word in the connection and seems a personal threat from you against me. People in public life have faced far more than perception about once upon a time use of substance, which in his case might be true while in cases of false propaganda against colonial subjects of yore by ex rulers and their allies was usually false.


+Velington Fernandes Either you are really obtuse or deliberately bullying with lies. Your contention about

"Sonia G became Indian before 1991. Doesnt it logically imply that Rahul
Gandhi becomes Indian as soon as the day Sonia Gandhi became an Indian citizen which is before 1991"

is absurd and false in several points.

To begin with a parent's citizenship might give choice of that right to the child but it is not forced, and her having to become citizen of India however reluctantly does not indicate her son being made to go through that transition, much less imply it as necessarily so.

There is nothing logical or reasonable about a child having to be citizen of a country if a parent chooses it, if there are other choices and in particular a choice already made for the child.

You sound like the racist US right wingers who claim Obama is not a US citizen because his father was not. That is silly and false.

Sonia did not take citizenship of India until she was forced to, by Indian law, alternative being her husband having to choose strictly between her and his prime ministership of India. That was '84, long after she lived in the home of his mother the prime minister for years, and this does not support the idea that her son would be Indian by her choice.


Responding to comments below questioning Dr Subramanian Swamy about his expose of the current and the now ex presidents of congress, claiming there is no proof of his statements, and calling him a lier :-


To begin with, if you don't see a chain of logic, or that facts can be claimed easily enough if they are opposite of what Dr Subramanian Swamy says, that points st your own questionable mindset, capabilities, or possibly worse. As to proof, there is no proof that the posts calling Dr Subramanian Swamy a lier or questioning his statements were written by genuine persons, rather than agents paid with scam funds in Swiss accounts of the mafia family.


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This has been stated without any scope of doubt by Dr Subramanian Swamy, but there are congress stooges lying on internet expecting people will at least give a benefit of doubt. There is no doubt. If someone surrenders a passport, the officer accepting it states so, else there is no such surrender. Citizenship is a privilege, conditional in India in that dual citizenship is not allowed. And yes, India does have reciprocity of position in case of naturalized citizens, if they in fact are citizens.

Here is a fraudulent comment, below the original yt video, by someone repeatedly lying, on various yt videos where Dr Subramanian Swamy exposes the current and the ex president of congress:-


Velington Fernandes:-

"He talks so much, but NO PROOF :(
"When he has proof, he puts pics of them in Twitter, but never he has put proof of any thing of what he says as he doesnt have any proof. Its all Hearsay.He quotes a 1991 swiss magazine about 2 Billion. But people dont understand that in 1991, was she even working for Congress? Or was it Rajiv Gandhi?
"So why no one asking Rajiv Gandhi or people of that era? And where is the proof? Please show us the proof.
"Even I can say that Swamy works with CIA and Mossad to destabilize the government, but I dont have proof. If I had 1Million followers, I could influence them and cause a slanging match with him. But at the end, I cannot prove it.

"As he doesnt have proof, these are still allegations. People of India were angry due to corruption so they got a nice boxing bag to blame, and Swamy made sure that this allegations were true through his followers on Twitter.

"Respected APJ Abdul Kalam wrote a book and he didnt mention about the most important point in his career as a president. Even though he was close to BJP as they wanted him to be a president. There were 3 persons involved in this matter. Sonia Gandhi said no to what he is saying, APJ Abdul Kalam didnt mention about it and we know his integrity. The 3rd person who is shouting out loud is Swamy. So we know who is lying his arse out.
"Secondly, he is has taken our public for a ride. He is referring to a constitutional clause about citizenship based on Citizenship Act, 1955 which states:
Citizenship by registration.- (1) Subject to the provisions of this section and such other conditions and restrictions as may be prescribed, the Central Government may, on an application made in this behalf, register as a citizen of India any person not being an illegal migrant who is not alrea dy such citizen by virtue of the Constitution or of any other provision of this Act if he belongs to any of the following categories, namely:

"(a) a person of Indian origin who are ordinarily resident in India for seven years before making an application for registration;

"(b) a person of Indian origin who is ordinarily resident in any country or place outside undivided India;

"(c) a person who is married to a citizen of India and is ordinarily resident in India for seven years before making an application for registration.
"The catch on which he is playing is simply that if Italy makes some rules for naturalized Indians in Italy, then Indian Government will make the same rules for Naturalized citizens from Italy. This implies that if Italy says that Indians in Italy cannot be a Prime Minister of Italy, then India will also make a rule saying that Italians cannot become Indian Prime minister. So our naturalized prime minister's rights are defined by Italian rules.
"But such rules Don't exist in Indian constitution. Hence this point on which he is playing to the galleries is completely void and null. Even courts have dismissed this plea.

"To conclude, Sonia Gandhi is a Naturalised Citizen of India.
She has every right to hold any office as per Indian Constitution.
If a new law is brought in, then we can say she cant be a PM.

"Secondly, her renouncing of PM position could be either her own free will or compulsion due to Coalation politics, which we never know as we dont have proof.
"But Swamy always tries to see conspiracy in everything. Even if you do good, he will still question how come you did good.
"Thats the reason why on his Twitter, he didnt mention about APJ Abdul Kalam. As he now considers him enemy who didnt take his side.

"Similar allegations I heard from him about Sonia's Father. I completely agree that he could have worked for Mussolini. He could have been POW. I can also believe that she may not even be her father's child due to Rapes committed by allied and Russian Soldiers on captured women of Italy and Germany. But isnt that a demeaning thing to say about a rape victim(Sonia Gandhi's Mother). Wasnt she helpless? Can we say the same thing if one of our neighbours is raped and she has to give birth to her rapist's son/daughter. Please get above this mentality. Please people of India, be human, dont stoop down to his level. He may have problems with a Corrupt family of Gandhis, but personal attacks like this shows his culture and upbringing. Also, WHERE is the PROOF? Authentic proof. Not Blogs written by Sonia Gandhi's detractors which dont have proof themselves."


Here is why Velington Fernandes and his statements are a lie.

To begin with, Dr Subramanian Swamy has information that the current and ex president of congress have had, and used, other passports, including Italian; this knowledge is not secret, nor limited to him. However, that he cannot produce pictures of the said passports is no contradiction of Dr Subramanian Swamy - on the contrary, if - IF! - the two have indeed surrendered even one passport each, they could easily publicly produce proof of the surrender, and make him look like a fool or a lier.

They have never - NEVER! - done so. That can only be because they think it is safer to retain such other passports. Which is fine, except thus makes them non citizens, and their MP positions in India fraudulent. They merely ridicule the accusations, but never disprove them.

Velington Fernandes says "He quotes a 1991 swiss magazine about 2 Billion. But people dont understand that in 1991, was she even working for Congress? Or was it Rajiv Gandhi?"

This is not just stupid, he assumes India is stupid, as do his party leaders. Point is not who was "working" for congress in 1991, point is a Swiss magazine stated that Mrs Gandhi the then widow of an ex PM of India had that amount in a Swiss account, then. Which existed then, and hasn't exactly been surrendered to India since. An official of KGB has publicly declared, since, that KGB paid huge amounts to them, and while congress has called it a lie, Harvard library has documents attesting it.

Now for the main point. Velington Fernandes claims, twisting facts, that India has no such constitutional clauses as mentioned by Dr Subramanian Swamy - "if Italy says that Indians in Italy cannot be a Prime Minister of Italy, then India will also make a rule saying that Italians cannot become Indian Prime minister. So our naturalized prime minister's rights are defined by Italian rules." Which is twusting, to say the least.

It is explained well by Dr Subramanian Swamy and is simpler. If an Indian who is a naturalised citizen of another country, including but not only Italy, cannot be in a position in that country, then reciprocal principle of Indian constitution forbids a person from that country to hold such position in India, even after obtaining citizenship. This rule does not have to be made repeatedly, it was in place when constitution of India was first signed.

Velington Fernandes is lying repeatedly, because this is what congress does.

Finally, about the question of father's identity. Velington Fernandes glosses over Mr Maino being a fascist soldier, and claims that her mother Mrs Maino was raped by a Russian soldier, which is unlikely to say the least - Italy was not occupied by USSR, and Dr Subramanian Swamy never mentioned rape.

What he does mention is existence of a camp for German soldiers, including presumably SS personnel, in the small town where the mother went to stay with her own mother while the husband was a POW in Siberia or other Russian prison during war.

The point is not blaming some victim much less a baby, for rape, if there was a rape. Point is, you cannot ignore fascist DNA any more than the Sicilian blood that Mrs Gandhi is proud of when she said to Dr Subramanian Swamy "I am not like Indians, Indians like being kicked, I am Sicilian" - recall mafia is Sicilian - and you definitely cannot ignore SS DNA, or the possibility that ODESSA keeps track of the two and is intending to acquire India as a colony via getting this family officially rule!

As for Velington Fernandes saying "Also, WHERE is the PROOF? Authentic proof. Not Blogs written by Sonia Gandhi's detractors which dont have proof themselves." - the statement of his works the other way round. There is NO proof produced by either the current president of congress or his mum that they have surrendered any other passports ever, but its no secret that they have had and used other passports.

Living in India as non citizens is one thing, even if they occupy huge properties once lived in by a PM of India; perpetrating frauds pretending to be citizens and possession of billions of U.S. dollars in Swiss accounts, unexplained, is another matter entirely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SFMy44L9w28